Jessicka's emails and Laney Chantal

In her 2017 allegations and a Facebook post after, Jessicka claims that after her 2015 interview for Alternative Press where she first vaguely referred to Jeordie, many others contacted her with their stories of Jeordie abusing them. So far, none of these people have come forward though, and only one of these people mentioned in the emails has been named, this person being Jeordie's ex wife Laney Chantal. However, Laney herself did not agree with the storyline that Jessicka was building and maintained that her and Jeordie's relationsip was not an abusive one. What does this say about the credibility of her claims? Why would Jessicka want the public to believe that Jeordie and Laney's marriage was full of abuse?

Here's the part from the statement:

In 2015, while playing some reunion shows with the original line up of Jack Off Jill, Alternative Press Magazine asked me in an interview “What would older, wiser Jessicka tell her wilder, 19-year-old self?” My reply was:

“Don't allow anybody—especially your current boyfriend—to verbally ridicule you, psychically abuse and rape you, fat-shame you, break your spirit, make you second-guess yourself and ultimately steal your identity. Don't worry: He’ll get trapped in the green dress he stole. It becomes his curse rather than a gift, trust me."

This statement may have seemed vague to most, but to many Jack Off Jill fans, they understood my words loud and clear. I began to receive an enormous amount of emails of support and love. And unfortunately, the stories started to unspool. Women (even young girls) revealed their horror stories, and all of a sudden I was not alone. I was not the only one who was a victim of my rapist. Others had also been abused by the man I was referencing.

As all of these women were reaching out to me, I had been recovering from a near death illness. The amount of guilt I felt for not reporting him when my rape initially occurred really began to eat at me. Even with my incredibly supportive husband at my side, the compunction of not speaking my truth hit me like a freight train. The bitter tears of self reproach made my chances of my own recovery feel …unattainable.

And this Facebook post, and a tweet for example where this story is being pushed. (Not on the tweet, first of all, the "he couldn't remember" thing is just pushing a rumour, Jeordie never actually said that in response to the allegations and the rumour is based on his history of addiction, therefore pushing it as a fact with the official band account is pretty disrespectful. Also, despite claiming that the JOJ page is run by an "admin" it's run by Jessicka who continuously lies about this.)

 Now, where are all these other women (even young girls) that Jessicka has mentioned? The existence of these emails is very hard to prove, just for the sake of confidentiality, really. But as we saw with the Marilyn Manson case just this year, (which will not be addressed on this site since there already is a huge discussion about it) some fans did come out with their own stories about him. (And the credibility of those accounts is also something that will be discussed elsewhere, this is page is for the Twiggy discussion we never really got.)

Surely there would be some willing to have their story shared? Surely at least someone who'd been in a longer relationship with him would want to also talk? He's dated celebrities who wouldn't find it as intimidating to speak out as maybe a fan would? 

There's several issues with this story anyway.

First, one thing that a lot of people uninformed about the details of Jeordie's career and background don't know is that when looking at his family background, this "preyed on young women, abused his power" situation seems a bit weird. Let's talk about that. 

Throughout his career, Jeordie has proudly brought up his mother and his aunt, both of whom were groupies in their youth, and this way brought a lot of musical influence into his life. Jeordie stated for example in an episode of the Hour Of Goon podcast, titled "GiGi BeeGee" after his late aunt, that the stories he was told about this lifestyle and the bandmembers, especially Robin Gibb of the Bee Gees, ended up inspiring the Twiggy Ramirez persona. 

In the 90's interviews, Jeordie would bring up his mother a lot especially.

Twiggy: America's Androgynous Superstar' by Paul Gargano. Published by Movie Mirror in a Marilyn Manson exclusive special issue. 1997

The excitement of the music industry is nothing new to Twiggy, who grew up entrenched in the music industry. "I was born of the road, I'm not exactly sure where because my mom used to dance onstage for Mountain, Leslie West's band. She used to dance for the Kinks as well," he said, implying that his father might be either the guitar legend West, or the Kinks' Ray Davies. "When I was growing up I was around music constantly. My aunt, who I was living with, was a groupie as well, and she was friends with the Ramones, they would come over and she used to date one of the Bee Gees."

Visions magazine - 2000:

Visions: Are there people you respect a lot?

Twiggy: Dave Wyndorf/Monster Magnet, James Hetfield/Metallica, and Marilyn Manson for their musical success. George Lucas for creating "Star Wars".

Visions: What about respect for other people apart from music?

Twiggy: I don't have to mention anymore than my mom. She had the greatest influence on my life. She was more cool and more rock n'roll than I'll ever be, something I understood bit by bit. When I grew up I never wanted to listen to Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, the Stooges or MC5 and only because my mom liked them. That was fucking death and thrash metal by Celtic Frost or Venom. Today I'm the biggest fan of my mom's heroes.

Guitar School, 1997:

Ramirez: Can I say something about my mom?

GS: Sure, Twiggy. We wouldn't want to leave her out of this.

Ramirez: I was brought up for most of my childhood by my mom, so there's a bit of mystery as to who my father is. She used to dance for Mountan, Leslie West...

GS: No way!

Manson: ...in a cage.

Ramirez: The stuff that's for real is crazier than the stuff I'm making up. She used to dance in the cage for Mountain, naked. And she used to do The Jerk onstage with the Kinks. I swear. So my dad is probably either Leslie West or Ray Davies. Who knows which one. 

Now, of course, these are a bit exaggerated in the typical "pick an interesting thing and bring it further for your rockstar image" way, but there is truth to this too. His mother and aunt were groupies and cage dancers, but the part about Jeordie's father being unknown and him "being born on the road" was later on revealed to be untrue. For example in an episode of Hour Of Goon where Jeordie discusses attending his grandfather's funeral it's mentioned that he was born and lived the first years of his life in New Jersey. His mother and father, according to later social media posts were even married prior to him being born, but his parents separated when he was little and his father wasn't present in his life at all in his youth, he was raised by his mother and only got to know his father better as an adult.

 

The "born on the road" while not seeming exactly true, might still not be that far from truth though, as Jeordie also later on Hour Of Goon explained that when he was a child, his family mover around a lot, basically a new school every year for him until they settled in Florida when he was in middle school. This, he said he hated at the time due to the fact that it made it hard for him to maintain friendships, but later learned to appreciate the seeing the world aspect of it. And then, when starting to play in bands and tour, he'd say "I used to live here" at basically every destination and people would think he's making it up. Well, you could say he'd been on tour all his childhood and the traveling part wasn't new to him. 

 

 - Could maybe see this as, maybe if not having a present father was something a bit sad, he concentrated more on what is cool about his mother and his childhood and made this cool mom and traveling a lot as a kid a part of his "rockstar origin story" this way, like becoming a rockstar was inevitable as he'd been living that life all along. 

Now, why I bring this up, what does this have to do with anything? 

It's just that based on this, the "model of a woman" Jeordie had in his life was a very, -as he's described his mother on Hour Of Goon; free and independent, do what I want type, and he literally grew up with groupies as those women he looks up to the most. This creates two questions now:

With this kind of upbringing, wouldn't you think that they would have told him the dangerous sides of that kind of lifestyle too? How it can also be, what NOT to do? Maybe they'd told him of negative experiences too. Especially when Jeordie's mother was going to his early shows and watching that career grow? Surely he would have a perspective that a lot of guys in bands might not have? And it at least could have, in the lifestyle he had backstage, have him keep that perspective, that the girls, women backstage as either colleagues or fans or groupies, they are people with lives and families, not someone to just take advantage of.

Another thing is, almost the same point, that misogynistic attitudes don't come from thin air, they usually have roots in the person's upbringing and family structure. But it doesn't exactly seem like Jeordie had a bad example in that. He was raised by groupies and that was normal to him. He grew up appreciating that. So I don't see why jealousy or seeing women as less than men, seeing them as something to abuse and take advantage of, how that kind of thing would match the upbringing he had? Where would that attitude come from? 

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Then, there's discussion, people talk. There's forums for groupies too, where Jeordie has been discussed. 

This, of course I was not around in the 90's personally, but I have been talking with fans who were really deep into the Manson discussion in the early days of the internet, late 90's, as well as frequently attended shows and were in on all the gossip. None of them say that anything like this ever came up, and if anyone was worried, it was more so about Jeordie's health in the late 90's as he was using a lot of drugs and he was very skinny.

And there are messageboards where this kind of stories were shared in the mid 00's. There was a Jeordie thread, it was pretty uninteresting, all they said was that he smells like baby powder and should maybe shower more often. And these boards did offer the anonymity in case anyone would've wanted to share, some bands had threads like "STD WARNING!! GET TESTED IF YOU WERE WITH THIS GUY" people were pretty open, and even rumours were shared, but Jeordie was not a widely discussed person at all. In my research I read a n c i e n t messageboards, some old emails groups I was linked too, and in none did any kind of rumours about any sort of abuse come up. 

Had this been this big hidden secret, where are all these women Jessicka's talking about? And why would they only think to contact Jessicka? Once again we get to the issue with both the Witness Pete and Marilyn Manson, where "they knew, they witnessed, but only acknowledged it and reacted until I said so!" Like it seems that neither Pete or Manson felt anything at all until according to Jessicka, having all the emotions about the alleged abuse only decades later when Jessicka made them aware of it, though they'd always known??? So were all these I've heard even 50 women, all of them, only acknowledging this to and with Jessicka, through her and because of her? Does not sound very credible. 

And like, if she's now been falsely accusing me of death threats, I find it interesting that still not one has thought to contact me? Wouldn't they stick together and help each other? Everyone in Jessicka's story seems really like they're just leaving her in the ditch despite her being this big hero whistleblower. It's a bit suspicious. 

Suspicious, especially as, the only person out of these women that Jessicka claims was a victim of Jeordie's that she could name - didn't exactly agree with Jessicka. Let's see what happened with Laney Chantal.

Jeordie and Laney were together for almost a decade, they got married in 2013 and broke up around the same time as the allegations from Jessicka went viral.

Around the time of posting her claims, Jessicka started insinuating on social media that she'd "heard from mutual friends" that Jeordie had been abusive towards Laney, and that she'd been watching her social media "looking for signs" to confirm these suspicions.  Wait, wasn't she claiming to have reccurring nightmares of running into him and avoiding him? (Check the nightmares page. ) Why would she, two decades after her own relationship that she'd been trying to forget and move on from according to herself, why would she be even interested in what Jeordie's up to? Why would she even want to snoop on his wife's social media?

Here are some screenshots, thanks: loverofmenartandpasta on tumblr who kept up with this closely at the time.

So, here she's implying that Jeordie's behavior has been the same all through the years and he's been abusing basically everyone he's dated, brings up Laney as an example, but it doesn't exactly seem in any way even close to being true.

Because for example, had Jeordie's behavior been the same as Jessicka alleges it had been towards her, Jeordie would, for example, have been extremely jealous towards Laney. In Jessicka's statement, pretty much everything was motivated by jealousy and the will to control.

Well why is it that he didn't seem to have any problem with for example Laney's nude photos being available for everyone to see all over the internet? Laney was a Suicide Girl, an alternative nude model. And what did Jeordie do about it? He was liking and sharing her photos on social media and supporting her work in that. Does that seem like something an extremely jealous person would do? Could imagine that if he was violent and controlling, as motivated by jealousy, there wouldn't have been any suicidegirls profiles public to start with during the relationship?

Another thing that could be brought up, for example, is Laney's trip to Japan around 2016-2017.

Initially I was emailed about this, fans were mentioning to me that on Laney's private instagram account sep.pu.ku.4u, she'd been posting photos from a trip to Japan, on which she went with a male friend, and Jeordie wasn't with her but the flight tickets had been a gift from Jeordie. These posts have since been deleted, as Laney deleted a lot of posts in the aftermath of the allegations drama, most likely seeking privacy at a rough time. If anyone has screenshots, you can send them in. This trip was additionally discussed on Hour Of Goon, though. 

In this episode, right towards the end, the following discussion is had:

Fred: I saw that Laney's going to Japan?

Jeordie: She is.

Fred: That's cool, she ever been?

Jeordie: She hasn't. I got her a ticket.

Fred: That's so nice.

Jeordie: But, it was so weird, they were so cheap.

[Fred and Jeordie discuss Jeordie's habit of taking his friend's dogs to stay over at his house so he can take care of them while his friends are away, irrelevant to this point]

Jeordie: But yeah, she's going to Japan. She wanted me to go with her, but it's just, I can't.

Fred: It's hard to go on trips when you're not on tour. 

Jeordie: Especially when... I do, or we go, when we go we're like... It's first class, nice hotels, the whole like... I'm sorry, but I'm spoiled. And I just can't like, 

Fred: Yeah because [on tour] you have someone like, 

Jeordie: coordinating everything

Fred: Yeah, coordinating everything. When you're at the airport or you leave the hotel, you don't have to ask where shit is, someone's just taking you there.

Jeordie: Yeah. So I'm spoiled, so for me to just sit in a coach or staying at like air bnb or whatever it is that you do when you go to Japan... It's like being punished. And like, then I'd be cranky and just ruin this whole experience for her so

Fred: Right

Jeordie: She'll go with her friends and she'll have a great time. She'll have way more fun than having me around and she'll get to enjoy it. I'm really excited for her. 

Doesn't sound like a very controlling and jealous person? Would a terribly jealous person act like this? 

Another general observation that could be made from the Hour Of Goon podcast is, you notice how in Jessicka's statement she describes Jeordie as this person who doesn't want Jessicka to succeed, doesn't want her to be seen, kind of wants to become successful at her expense... Like holding her back?

But then in Hour Of Goon generally, it's like, while Laney was not a part of the podcast, she was often home when it was being recorded. So if she walked past the room or there was a background noise, or she was heard coming home, Jeordie was pretty much always happily going; "Laney!!!" and he would include her in the conversation and clearly wanted the listener to know more about her and what she's doing.

 

Had it been this sort of "I am the main character" setting that Jessicka seems to want to portray him into, I could imagine that a reaction to Laney making her presence known in the background would be annoyance, "you're distracting the audience from me!" rather than excitement and a will to proudly remind the audience that "Yeah that's my wife by the way, she should come and say hello too!"  

And of course, then, it's important to see what Laney had to say about Jessicka's claims:

So this doesn't exactly look like Jessicka's telling the truth at all. To add to this, Laney and Jeordie still follow each other son social media to this day, and Laney's said many times that though her and Jeordie aren't together anymore, she considers him family.

 

In fact, in the 2021 and on Manson allegations it has been noted by many Manson supporters as being strange that while Laney doesn't support Manson, she still keeps close with one of his best friends, Jeordie. - Which then has resulted in situations where she speaks badly of Manson and seems to condemn him to hell, while she has Manson related memorabilia visible in her social media photos.  They're clearly something she's fond of, but if she has an issue with Manson, are the afterparty passes and photos, album covers, art, up on the walls because they're something Jeordie was a part of? Probably?

 

This then raises the question whether or not her issues with Manson have to do with her opinion on how Manson handled Jeordie's allegations situation, because prior to that she was known to be fond of him? Laney got a lot of harassment she did not deserve at all and one could reasonably feel it was partly because of Manson's vague reaction that many took as a confirmation that he believed Jessicka. It's hard to believe she would genuinely believe Manson to be a serial rapist and a killer who has torture chambers in his house while keeping so close with Jeordie, who hasn't come forward to comment on the issue in any way, has always been best friends with Manson... 

And it is also to be noted that after breaking up with Jeordie, Laney went on to date Dave Navarro (Jane's Addiction, Red Hot Chili Peppers) who is known to be close friends with Jeordie. Had she really been abused by Jeordie, would a friend of his be the next move? After they then broke up, of course social media posts about this relationship were made unavailable but it has been noted by fans in messages to me that apparently Jeordie had shown support to this relationship on social media and seemed happy for them. This detail also does not really go along with Jessicka's narratives.

But back to this Jessicka situation. Are we supposed to just take Jessicka's word over someone else's personal experience here because believe women? She's probably never met Laney at all anyway. 

Jessicka wasn't happy about Laney telling a different story, so in her typical way, she resorted to bullying and harassing her on social media. A lot of these posts have been deleted since then, but those who kept up at the time say, that Jessicka was constantly tagging Jessicka in negative tweets, aggressively going after her, all while making false claims about her and Jeordie's relationship. This lead to an unfortunate situation, where Laney attempted suicide, and allegedly Jessicka was claiming that that too was because of Jeordie, when in reality, Jessicka herself had been pushing her buttons to get her to comply with her story. Screenshots of this allegedly are possessed by some, but out of respect for laney, they're not posted online. There still is this, screenshot from Laney's instagram as well as a screenshot from a twitlonger post by Jessicka where she claims she's reached out to Laney and implying that Laney harming herself had something to do with her "blaming herself for what he did to her".

Will have to mention that this whole twitlonger post is a pile of garbage anyway, because; You can read the whole thing about Scott and Matt on the page about it, Jessicka's "apology" was not sincere and she harassed these people, then very clearly took the apology back. "Illuminating discussion", which was later in revealed dms discussed to be, you guessed it, threats and harassment from Jessicka/Christian. And as for Pete, why on earth would SPIN not use his quotes, there really aren't many other reasons than his story not matching Jessicka's? - Had it matched, it would've only added to Jessicka's credibility. Or was "Speaking to SPIN" actually just that he had an exchange, a conversation from someone from SPIN and his "quote" was that he won't comment? "They found my statement credible" does not explain why Pete's wasn't included, and SPIN isn't exactly that much of high quality journalism, does it matter if a journalist who only knows Jessicka's side and not much else of any background details, who wants to get paid and sell a big headline, is his judgment on this topic exactly definitive?

 

And well, even if we don't have much screenshots of this drama between her and Laney, this starting an online war behavior is not exactly new in Jessicka's case. It's very typical for her. Jessicka, at this very same time was going after another ex of Jeordie's Helen Storer, very aggressively as Helen had expressed support to him and his at the time new girlfriend Michelle. Helen dated Jeordie around 1996. 

She was also going after Michelle Siwy, with her husband's account, and here we can get a look at what kind of posts that included... Despite on that above mentioned twitlonger post claiming that Michelle "the woman he is currently dating" was "vehemently coming after her" - no, Michelle made a couple instagram posts where she vaguely expressed her opinion on the situation, never even mentioning Jessicka's name. Jessicka's "husband" aka her though:

So once again we come to this, Jessicka is a liar and a bully. 

But as for the emails...

As said before, I find it strange that there would be this much, and not a single another story made public. A lot of people don't even know that she had an email address she could be contacted through to start with. Jeordie has dated celebrities, bandmembers, who could have just made these stories public easily if they'd had one.

And then there is the issue, that IF she did receive emails, if we aren't shown what they are like and who is telling the story, there is no way of really knowing of the legitimacy of them. She may have been contacted by someone, sure, but just the fact that someone may have done so doesn't actually yet mean that anything happened. Then there is the issue too, that if the writer of the story isn't told, we can't close out the possibility of the story being written by Jessicka herself, as there would at this point with her being caught with accounts she claims not to run be valid doubt about the authenticity of an email she alleges to have received.

There are a lot of issues with this email claim, just saying "I have received emails" does not prove anything at all. 

One is this: Really anyone could write anything.

For example, as internet is accessible to everyone, anyone can write anything. And there are mentally ill people who genuinely believe they're involved in the drama. I have been contacted by someone like this. Note that the things this person said are FALSE, as in NOT TRUE, this is an example of the "anyone can write/receive anything online" : This person alleged that she'd been sexually assaulted by Jessicka in 1991 at the age of 12, and that she had confided to Jeordie with this story and gotten his support. This then had resulted to Jessicka stalking her, for example driving around her school to try and find her. (if you're screenshotting, this is a false story) She also alleged that she had witnessed Jessicka put broken glass and needles into Jeordie's shoes so that he would hurt his feet, and that Jessicka had been briefly institutionalized due to her violent behavior, after an incident where Pete had called the cops on her because she was beating Jeordie. (if you screenshot this, still a false story) This person alleged that Jessicka would sometimes punch Jeordie in the ribs because he was skinnier and she felt insecure about her own weight because of his thinner figure. (still a false story) She also stated that Jessicka didn't like to be photographed randomly, and on one incident Jeordie had taken a photo of her suddenly, and she had gotten so angry that she'd punched Jeordie in the face repeatedly.

Now, I could just mention this and leave it there. But I looked into this user's profile, read their story carefully. It's 100% FALSE and I will not include a screenshot of  the messages I received, because I don't want people to take it out of context elsewhere. Because IT'S FALSE. This person gave me their alleged full name, photos, told a lot of things, but the writing was frantic and incoherent, and the person she claimed to be, someone adjacent to Jeordie with this name she gave, I could confirm that this person she claimed to be literally does not exist.

 

This person clearly was dealing with psychotic symptoms, this story was not, cannot be true, it was impossible for many reasons, it was full of false, impossible statements and largely the events at which she claimed to have been present at were clearly moments from dvds and interviews. One of these obviously false things was for example that she was talking about Jeordie having the tattoo "1971" on his arm in 1993. He got the tattoo over a decade after, he could not have had it then. It was also explained as Jeordie getting the tattoo to cover a bruise, which makes no sense whatsoever.

And the "randomly taken unflattering photo" which caused a beating, it was described to me and I instantly recognized it as something Jessicka had posted on social media years ago. It was not unflattering, it was this person's opinion, it was an old photo of Jessicka doing a funny face while having fun with friends. They'd clearly imagined that situation around it.

What else there was, a telltale sign that this person was unhealthily obsessed with Jeordie instead of actually knowing him was that when discussing all of this, she spoke like everything revolved around Jeordie. As in, Jeordie's family would discuss his business, his relationships, his problems without him present and tell this person everything. That she would receive postcards where details of his dating life were discussed. This is clearly just what someone that wishes they were somehow close to a celebrity thinks things are like. That being somehow involved with the person would be a front row seat to all the gossip and that the celebrity would be the main character of the lives of everyone around them. But well, you know, I could reasonably assume that to Jeordie's family, he's just Jeordie. A son, a brother, a cousin, a husband and so on and so on. I mean, if someone asks me how my brother is doing I'm like "Uhhh, well I guess he still works at ___  I dunno good probably."  

Also, close friends or whatever of a celebrity do not refer to interviews or other public appearances often like this person did. They often go by memory, they have more information than the public appearances, that's not their main source like it is to a fan. 

The story was so strange, incoherent, impossible, that it would be extremely irresponsible to claim it to be true. And if I said "Really?" to something, that would be enough to spark this person to pretty much make up more on the spot, turn it even more shocking, so I stopped responding. Also because the messages just kept coming I couldn't keep up, flooding my inbox.

And here comes the responsibility issue. When you have a belief that you genuinely believe to be true, you're looking for evidence to support it. Therefore, when someone is sending you something like this, you have to ask yourself: Does this make sense or is this person just telling me what I could accept as true due to my belief, does this make sense or is it just beneficial to my belief?

Even if your intentions were pure, you wanted justice for someone or something, you have to be responsible in what is true, what is verifiable, what is false. Because this kind of things affect your credibility. If you've gathered a lot of genuinely good evidence, it will not be taken as seriously if there is an obvious lie in there.

Then it's also a bit of an interesting question too, - do you want the story to be true because it fits your beliefs? Are you looking only for confirming details and overlooking those that contradict? But isn't it a bit sick to want something like that to be true at the same time? As much as I believe Jeordie to be innocent, as much as it seems Jessicka abused him, I don't WISH that he'd been physically hurt just so I could get a story to post about, I don't necessarily want gruesome details, it doesn't excite me to see someone say something like that, it makes me uncomfortable.  

 

It is also extremely morally questionable to take advantage of a mentally ill person's fragile state and use their story to push anything, whether your initial cause is true or false. 

And this is also a question on the "believe everyone" thing, because, well. Though this story was false, it can be something this person genuinely believes to have happened. There's perspectives, there's beliefs, there's misunderstandings, there's delusions. Am I an abuse apologist when I saw this story to be false? 

And if Jessicka were to actually have received emails, how many of them could be like this? We can't know that. It's to be noted that at her and Jeordie's level of fame, especially what it was in 2017, it would be very possible that there would have been stories like this, that were not true, but delusions. And she hasn't exactly been honest about a lot of things, so I'd find it hard to believe she would think of those responsibilities I just mentioned. 

Another issue is the psychological effect this kind of negative attention towards a person can have on an observer. There's somewhat a peer pressure as well.

Could compare to a more recent situation. On the day the Marilyn Manson allegations went viral, my social media feed was filled with negative comments of him. There were fans burning their pictures of Manson, there were people saying "if you support Marilyn Manson, we're not friends anymore."

People are shocked about the alleged actions and they want to make it known that they don't support those. People that have largely identified themselves with the status of a Mansonite may feel pressure to say something, anything, as if the public is asking them what they think. Even I felt like I had to somehow make it known that though some know me as a fan of Manson, I would never accept the things he's accused of. People just in that shock can't tell apart are they disgusted by the actions he's accused of or the person who's accused. 

I stated I stand with Manson, and I was met with messages from friends that were angrily demanding me to change my mind. - They took my opinion as me saying that ALL people alleging abuse are lying. Of course I don't think that. They would tell me their personal stories of being raped and act as if I'd be happy that's happened to them. Of course I would never wish that upon anyone. Me supporting Manson was seen as me supporting the act of rape

When the social media discussion becomes an echo chamber of "guilty until proven innocent" and there isn't much of contrary evidence supported, it's very normal that people want to get rid of the uncertainty of how to feel about the situation. They generally trust the mainstream media, they generally want to keep their friends and not lose their support. In this kind of a situation they may look into the past for something to confirm, just so they could get rid of the uncertainty; through the lens of "oh my god this person is a creep" things that before the accusations were just harmless jokes can look like something else. 

In my investigations, going through social media discussions I saw this same effect. There was for example a comment from a Jessicka supporter, ex Jeordie fan, that was like: "I totally believe her. I met Jeordie at [some sort of a convention] and he was pretty awkward, didn't talk to me much. Probably just thought I should have been a hot chick to deserve his attention, god, what a creep!" Like; what is this story other than "He didn't talk to me as much as I'd expected, meeting him wasn't as special as I'd expected. I took it personally, is there something wrong with me?" the "creep" is just a layer added by the shock about the allegations. 

I have several personal stories of meeting bandmembers, being invited backstage and being told sexual jokes, - that if I just didn't mention the fact that I laughed along, 100% comfortable having a great time, probably in a #metoo discussion would sound absolutely disgusting to someone who's only listening to them to hear something confirming the accusations.

An example story: a musician friend of mine was at a bar with me. We went out for a cigarette and it was just the two of us outside. He took out his dick and said, "Yeah just thought it'd be the kinda moment to do that" It was so out of nowhere that I laughed my ass off. I laughed because he's my friend and there was nothing threatening in that situation. He did that because I'm his friend and he knew I would not be uncomfortable. It happened because we are friends. Now, if I just told that story and only told the listener what he had done, instead of including the fact that I was fine with it, it would sound like sexual harassment. Especially if I expressed it implying we were strangers to each other.

See the way a story is told depends on what kind of a reaction is wanted, it also depends on what reaction the storyteller is getting while telling the story. Different things are highlighted depending on the situation and the company the story is told at. This is very subconscious. Then the reaction, how the story is understood, depends on what the listener thinks about the discussed issues beforehand. 

If that cigarette situation had happened with Jeordie, or Manson (did not, never met either of them) the way it could be told and understood would most likely differ depending on was the story told before or after the #metoo situation. 

Have personally witnessed it happen that someone told me happily and proudly about the time they'd met Marilyn Manson, that it had been the best day of their life - and then after the allegations this same person shared the exact same story in a tabloid's comment section but it was described negatively, that the jokes and hugs had been one sided. The story didn't change any other way than this person leaving out the fact they'd had fun and actively participated in the jokes and whatever happened and it sounded so creepy portrayed like that. That was the shock reaction working, that's what the social pressure does. After the shock wore off this person stands with Manson. 

In this case; there is yet again the problem: Even if Jessicka had received emails from someone, we don't know the full story, will likely never know the full story. We don't know if the story was different prior the allegations and actually neither does Jessicka. Without seeing these stories we can't decide for ourselves what they are like, and it does matter who is telling it. Was the story turned negative with the layer of disgust added in reaction to the allegations or was it always negative? Jessicka doesn't know the full context, she can't decide for us whether they're legit or not because had she received a story, she would not have personally witnessed it, and she's not exactly known for honesty either, so how is it that she can just claim something like this and people will be just like "Oh my god!"

"I have received emails" - how many are just shocked people talking about stuff like a joke he told at a meet and greet in 2006 that in hindsight, in shock, in context of the allegations would sound creepy if thought of with the layer of "an alleged rapist said this."

You cannot call him a serial abuser. There is NO evidence that suggests that. Jessicka is the only one with actual accusations and they are sketchy as hell. She lied about Laney in context of these "emails", so why should this "people emailed me" be credible in any way?

What this "several women" storyline really seems to be is that Jessicka is concealing her own motive which is publicly humiliating and harassing Jeordie to get back at him for rejecting her and "stealing her look" which is also more just her belief than the truth. This is a selfish motivation, but by pushing this "I'm doing this for all of these other women" thing she can conceal that to appear like this whole thing was just something she "had to do for everyone else's safety". It's nothing more than that. 

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